I didn’t try AutoCAD Electrical yet but i’ve just lost interest after so many dissapointments and spent time and hard cash. Good luck with cataloging all your products from sagginaw, hoffmann, mitsubishi, banner, Baldor, Amphenol etc.

Like I already mentioned, I’ve been using EPlan for more than 6 years now, and am very happy with it.

All the excuses that you brought up are the same that we keep getting over and over from people using AutoCAD. Let me ask you a simple question. You critic the “lack” of parts database for EPlan. Or are you refering to blocks? If you are indeed talking about parts data part number, electrical characteristics, dimensions etc. How do they integrate with AutoCAD? You have to build your own. Also, how is DRM a bad thing?

I’ll tell you. In my experience, almost every business in north america use pirate copies of AutoCAD. The fact that EPlan is harder to crack seems to be a negative side only to those people who would actually ENJOY being able to use a cracked version and not have to pay for it.

Of course you won’t admit to it, but is your copy of AutoCAD legit? You speak of more than one edition of the software as being a bad thing. Then you go on talking about the quality of the corporate web site as a decisive factor. Come on. Get your facts straight. I could keep replying to all your affirmations, but I feel it’s a waste of time. I see that you’ll never be convinced no matter what I say. Live long and prosper. Ok, Let’s try to backtrack a bit. You have been throwing a lot of dirt at a product that you have never tried.

Thus my strong reaction. Let me now try to answer your concerns. I really wish you take the time to read this through, as I’ve taken some of my precious sleep time to write it.

First of all, I’ve been in the automation business for some 15 years now. Along the way, I got to try Xelec and Promis-e in production enviroments.

I haven’t liked them. Then, in , we started to look for a more complete package, and we tried Eplan We ended up buying it, as it really saved us a lot of time and errors. White Paper. White Paper “Ecosystem of Industrial Automation”.

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New Zealand. After you have assigned parts to some devices in this section, you can start on reports in the next chapter. Generating Reports Now that you have created a schematic in the previous chapters and as- signed parts to the devices inserted, you can have EPLAN generate reports on the information in your schematic and automatically output different re- port pages.

Generating a Terminal Diagram 1. You can use this dialog to create and manage project reports. Change to the Reports tab. If you expand the tree e. Up until now, of course, no reports have been created for your practice project! In the Select report type field, select the entry Terminal diagram. For this entry to be displayed, you must either enlarge the dialog or scroll through the entries using the scrollbar.

Using this dialog, you can determine filter and sorting settings for the pages to be output. For your project, however, this is not required. Here you can specify how report pages will be sorted into the existing page structure.

In the Page name field enter 10 to assign the page in witch the report will be placed. Now expand the tree on the left side. Select the Pages layer and select the menu item Expand from the popup menu. Click [Close]. In the Page navigator, you now see the new page. You may first have to expand the tree and enlarge the window of the Page navigator before be- ing able to see the new page 10 with the description Terminal diagram : X1.

Note: A Page description like Terminal diagram : X1 is created if, for instance, the check box Automatic page description is checked in the Terminal diagram Total dialog. See also the illustration of the dialog in the action just completed.

By deactivating the Automatic page description check box, you also have the option of entering your own description for each re- port page. Open the page by double-clicking on it, and look at the terminal diagram in the graphical editor.

Performing Settings for Parts Lists Before generating the parts lists, you must first set a special setting. Otherwise, parts entered on the cable definition line will not be taken into account during output of the parts list. Printing Other Report Pages Repeat the action described in the first section of this chapter for the reports Cable diagram, Parts list, and Table of contents.

On each report, select the cor- responding report type from the Select report dialog. For the other report pages, no new identifiers need to be assigned. For in- stance, you do not need to enter new identifiers in the Cable diagram To- tal dialog, but rather can apply an existing structure from the Page naviga- tor field.

To do this, expand the tree structure in this field and select the report page 10 terminal diagram. For the Page name, the next free page is suggested. Instead of “11”, enter the page number 20 into the Page name field. The different reports are sorted in alphabetically ascending order Cable diagram, Parts list, Table of contents, Terminal diagram.

The yellow icon is used to mark all report types which represent overviews e. The orange icon characterizes function-relevant report types e. The level below that, marked in the tree with a yellow or orange icon with an opened drawer or is called a “report block” or just a “block”. All report pages belonging to a particular element e. In your current practice project, there is only one report block for each re- port. If, on the other hand, there were two terminal strips X1 and X2 in the schematic, then, for instance, the terminal diagram pages for terminal strip X1 would make up their own block, just as the terminal diagram pages for terminal strip X2.

The pages produced are shown on the lowest level in the tree. They have the same icon as in the Page navigator. Quit the dialog using [Close], and look at the changed structure of your practice project in the expanded Page navigator. Example: For instance, the enlarged view of the table of contents page 5 Table of contents would look like this in the graphical editor. With the generation of report pages, the creation and editing of your prac- tice project is finished for now.

In the following chapters, we will cover some additional topics, such as creating and inserting macros and searching pro- ject data. Then you will update the reports in your project using report tem- plates. If you like, you can now print your project pages out. To do this, read the chapter “Printing a Project” on page Naturally, you can also wait until later to print the project pages, for instance at the end of the sequence of chapters.

In the fol- lowing sections, for instance, you will create a window macro and then in- sert it. Creating and inserting macros of other types, such as page and sym- bol macros, is done in a similar manner. What you Need to Know in Advance What are macros? Creating macros is helpful because you do not have recreate cut- outs every time a routine operation comes up. What is a window macro? A window macro is an arbitrary area of a page. All objects whose insertion points are inside this area are stored in the window macro.

Creating a Window Macro 1. Position the cursor in the upper right corner of the schematic e. In the Directory field, the preset default directory for macros is displayed. In the Description field, enter Conveyor belt drive as the descrip- tion for the macro. The text entered here is displayed in a comments field when inserting macros and simplifies the selection for you.

The macro is saved in the specified di- rectory under the name Drive. Inserting a Window Macro Before you insert the macro that you just saved again, first create another schematic page of the type Schematic multi-line. Insert the macro on this sample page opened in the graphical editor. Select the Preview check box.

Position the macro at an arbitrary position in the schematic and click the left mouse button to place it. In this dialog you define the manner in which devices are to be renumbered on insertion.

Select the Number option. This causes the devices inserted by the macro to be numbered automatically online. For the counter of a DT, this takes the next free counter for each identifier into account. Since the macro is still hanging on the mouse pointer, you could insert the macro again.

Example: For instance, on the example page 4 Macro page , the window macro Drive inserted there might look like this in the graphical editor.

As usual when inserting page macros, this creates a new pro- ject page. Finding and Replacing Identifiers While editing a project, it is often necessary to search the project for par- ticular project data in order to change it. In the following chapter, we will show you how to search your practice project for a certain DT and a certain text and how you can then edit these objects. If the settings for your dialog don’t match those of the figure shown below, you still need to perform steps 3 through 6.

Otherwise, you can click [OK] immediately. In the Search in group box you can specify the objects in which you would like to search for the term. In the Search location group box, you can exclude certain page types from the search. You also have the option in this dialog of entering the results of a search into one of two possible results lists.

Select the List of results 1 option. All fuses in the project are listed in the dialog in tabular form. If you cannot see all the entries, drag the dialog to enlarge it and adjust the width of the individual columns if necessary. Below the listed search results, EPLAN shows you a text field with the page on which each selected object is located. Tip: In the Search results dialog, if you select an object located on a project page, the Graphical preview shows the corresponding page.

The position of the object is highlighted in the preview with concentric circles. Example: The following illustration shows the Graphical preview after the search re- sult with the value F has been selected in the results list. Replacing device tags 1. Select all entries in the Search results dialog. Remove the 1 in the Find what field and enter the value CB into the Replace with field. In the schematic, too, all selected devices are renamed.

Tip: The popup menu of the Search results dialog includes additional very use- ful program functions for the finding and editing of project data. For in- stance, you can use the menu item Go to graphic to jump from a se- lected object in the results list to the corresponding position in a project page.

Using the menu item Edit in table, multiple selected objects can be edited together in a subsequent dialog. In this way, for instance, you could rename the DTs of the selected devices. Finding Text and Editing Search Entries Before starting a new search, first remove all the previous entries.

Other- wise the search results will remain in this result list. The Search results dialog is now empty again. On the Text tab, the text Conveyor belt is already selected. Before you print out your whole project, you should first complete and up- date your reports. B22 B B24 B B26 B B28 B B30 B B32 B B34 B B36 B B38 B B40 B Insert cable definition as a symbol Motor Phase L2 T2.

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Carousel Next. What is Scribd? Sign in to follow this Followers 1. Any users of Eplan P8? Thank you very much 1- I like to work with “page character column” notification don’t know the right english word When I move or copy parts, these numbers are no longer correct. How can I renumber parts; groups; whole projects? I copy one page to another and the terminal numbers remain.

How can I easely renumber a group of them? How can I easily re-address them? I only have a single symbol of it so I always have to use many pagepointers right word? How do you deal with this. How to make such things? But they have the same potential. Can I give these different potential labels and colors while they still are connected to each other?

That will do for now thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites. Sorry for the delay. I still don’t have email notification. I still use mrplc, but not for eplan stuff.

The project page macro. Project documentation Design After the data has been incorporated, the E-CAE user implements graphical contents of the pre-designed material in the schematic page and then selects the required data from the predefined value table.

The system then automatically re-sizes all variables and then actualizes all the changes through the project of schematics and lists. This result in no time being spent on cross-referencing, wire numbering, device-tagging and creating different kinds of project reports, such as bills of materials and parts lists. The PPMs are then selected on the basis of how well the schematics match the wanted concept in wiring and dimensioning.

The rough PPMs are then compiled into an Eplan project, required connections are rewired and parts are replaced. Switchgear designations like field, cabinet and component designations are then simultaneously entered while applying proper project standards.

The remaining manual designing is to update the mains supply and signals, in order to link correctly between project pages. After manufacturing, the approved documentation is sent to the customers by exporting it in several common file formats.

If the project is abroad, the documentation can be converted to different languages or accepted standards of a region or industry. When producing reports the program checks all connections, wirings and parts data of the compiled PPMs and through these generates the selected report types. The final project documentation is then forwarded to the production unit. The parts list is necessary as the components are ordered on the basis of it. The connection list is also important, as it is the preferred document type when doing electrical installations, as it is clearer are more certain when it comes to preventing miss wiring.

This means that the initial project PPMs have to be correct otherwise they will be returned for maintenance. See chapter Depending on the customer s requirements, the documents are either forwarded in a physical format or in a common file format. In accordance with the Vacon standard, the following document set is produced and sent to the customer: Title page Table of contents Single-line Layout Multi-line Terminal diagram Connection list Parts list Cable diagram. The information is usually available in multiple formats, which means it can be pulled out and updated directly.

The troubleshooting is fast, which prevents processes and machinery from being down and wasting time. The technology also favors the documentation stored by the equipment, when it comes to keeping it up to date.

This will immediately make the project documentation obsolete. This leads to the entire documentation being sent back to the responsible electrical designer for updating. The same procedure occurs if errors in the documentation are discovered. The first task for the designer is to correct the open project and return it to production. Secondly, if the errors or the updates are not project specific the designer corrects the project related PPMs.

Typical project design maintenance tasks for PPMs are: components are replaced standard product installation is updated new standards are launched. This has affected the component management in a negative manner during designing. The current database holds a bad structure and some negative factors are: Non-standardized data structure Messed up languages Unused components Duplicate components Unavailable components One reason is that the program has been in use for a long time and several designers have used the program and thereby updated the parts database using their own terms.

Unnecessary data has not been taken into account, which has affected the growth of the source. Throughout the time that Eplan has been in operation, there has not been a proper parts database standard to follow, which has now increasingly been taken into account. Rajala The parts database s different contents are presented from their functional point of view, instead of being presented in a chronological way. The purpose is to let the reader gain a broader understanding of project designing from a functional aspect.

Compiling of components The initial task of the development process of the parts database was to compile all necessary components. The lack of specific knowledge and experience regarding the electrification of these systems made this phase challenging.

As the systems include a lot of different electrical parts, the first issue was how to get the knowledge and how to find out the proper approach regarding cabinet drive components? In the early project phase two possible options were presented concerning the component know-how. One alternative was to do simultaneous cooperation with the responsible electrical designer at the department in order to partake of his knowledge. The other option was to benefit from Eplan PPMs, from which all parts could be exported into lists.

A decision was made to go for the latter method, as this would not require major supervision during that phase of the project. Following this method, access would be given to only. Since PPMs are standard solutions and constantly being updated, it was not necessary to take into account if a component is unavailable or project specific. Eplan has a function which allows for example exporting of component data from a project. Utilizing Eplan PPMs of the Vacon engineering library would also permit export of parts data from the project pages.

As the PPMs in the library amounted to a few hundred, it was necessary to do this in a structured way to ensure the compiling of all information. The following approach method was used: Cabinet drive components Eplan PPM export Solar inverter cabinet components Eplan P8 Parts database export Common component list comparing clearing updating Parts database developement Figure 5.

The approach used for component compiling. As Eplan P8 was already introduced at the Solar department, the already existing database components had to be considered. The aim was to integrate the department s own database with the Solar team s already existing database.

For this reason the Solar Eplan P8 parts database had to be exported, so that already existing components could be compared and cleared. For this task a decision was made to import all information into Excel.

The program offers easy sorting and filtering possibilities of data, which in this task facilitated component data management. First of all duplicates in the common component list had to be removed, since the same parts emerged in many of the PPMs and in the Solar component selection as well. Secondly all missing technical parts information had to be updated. In this phase Internet and catalogues of various component manufacturers were used for this purpose.

The project was also an opportunity and resource to introduce components of new technology and at the same time to strive to utilize the same components in the departments responsible for electrical designing of enclosure products Solution Support and Solar team.

At the end of November 0 a product schooling was held at Vacon. The training was held by ABB and the aim was to present new low-voltage products on the market. A new contactor series, named AF see Figure 6. A few components of the AF-line had already been introduced on the market at an earlier stage and these had also been tested in Vacon projects.

From now on the series covers all current- and voltage classes of both AC and DC type. The AF-line contactors are equipped with a new electronic coil, which differs from the A-line coils which are based on traditional induction technology.

The electronic type allows both AC and DC voltage and at the same time it has a reduced energy consumption. The AF-line has also built-in surge suppressors to suppress high-voltage spikes generated by the coil. ABB AF-line contactor. In engineered drive projects, ABB A-series contactors have been used for motor control. After the product training, it was decided by the engineers of both Solution Support and Solar department that from now on strive to use only AF-contactors in their projects.

This affected the parts updating in such a way that all used A-line contactors had to be converted to AF-contactors. For this task I used ABB contactor model transfer tables that had been made for this purpose. Parts management The Eplan parts management is a part of the software, where you can manage technical and commercial data specific to parts and people see Figure 7.

This could be information such as technical characteristics, dimensions and price. It is also possible to manage the corresponding function definition for every device. The information is stored in a separate and Eplan-specific parts database. The parts management allows you to handle products from different fields, such as electrical engineering, mechanics, process engineering and fluid power components. The parts management dialog. Structure The parts management needed a comprehensive standard regarding the structure.

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Brake Resistor Connection 2. BR- Insert shield first, then the cable definition as a symbol L2 T2 Connection. Connection DC Bus. Generating a Report from an existing template Generating Project Reports.

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Panel Building. Integrated Value Chain. Component Manufacturer. Food and Beverage. Process Industry. Building Technology. Also, I would bring questions to them over the phone, or post them here. Youre not totally alone! I know this might be late in the game, but after reading this post i could not help myself and stick in my 2 centavos.

As Luc mentioned, EPLAN has been around for 20 some odd years now and they have been very active at making this software dedicated to the Electrical side of our work, AutoCAD has made a “add-on” to it’s mechanical tool to get the same sort of feel.

But when you want to drive around in a Austin Martin DBS, then get ready to pay the price for all it wonders If you are not lazy or scared of learning something new to help you become a better, faster more productive at your work than EPLAN might give you that edge you need, other than that Is this a ACAD diss? Luc was saying. I work alot with EPLAN and been using it for 3 years now, was trained 4 hours and the rest on my own. I think it becomes personal but if you weight them down, you would be impressed by some of the things EPLAN lets you do out of the box.

Personally if a software came out that made a better more productive project i would not spend much time whinning about the if and ends about it, cuz with all this free-trade stuff going on, the mexicans and chinese are going to get all the P. I have just recently attended a free ePlan “hands-on” workshop, and so far I like what I see. The workshop was only 4 hours long so you only get the basics. ISBN: The handbook appears to be quite thorough. If you contact your local ePLAN representative, perhaps they can let you know when the next workshop is planned for your area.

If there is not a workshop planned in the near future for your area, perhaps they would be willing to part with a free copy of the handbook for you- it’s worth a try. I have a copy of the book as well, and have had the pleasure of actually using ePlan P8 on a few projects. I was also fortunate enough to recieve a week of training from ePlan. There is some difficulty in gaining acceptace for the product because of the the cost and fears that it would be difficult to learn and use.

That’s unfortunate. Having the handbook is nice, but you’d be cheating yourself if you don’t get to see the product in action. I’d recommend anyone reading this to attend a workshop or request one from ePlan in their area. Hello Guys! A14 A A16 A A18 A A20 A A22 A A24 A A26 A A28 A A30 A A32 A A34 A A36 A A38 A A40 A Through the inserting of macro boxes you specify the contents that are to be stored in the macros.

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